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  • 2014-Apr-24 16:05:41 Pokemon Special BW2 Prologue 019.neuquant
    Max said: Shrugging off a perfectly legitimate question as a "lack of understanding". Typical Team Plasma.

    Also, @Mekhet:
    Yes, but not in Aspertia City.
  • 2014-Apr-24 14:03:13 pokemon special v43 076
    A said: I don't think Yellow's a Mary Sue. In fact, most of my friends who read Pokemon Adventures like her because she's pretty gentle and cute. The only thing that irked me is the fact that she is a bit alike to Bleach's Inoue Orihime from the similarity that they don't like violence. But I could see that Yellow wouldn't do that unless necessary. Another thing is, she may not have much weakness but to me and my friends, she is a vital character throughout the whole plot and that wouldn't be changed. I'm only stating my views.
  • 2014-Apr-24 08:31:24 pokemon special v43 076
    Bahmo said: Again, the measure of a Mary Sue is the way they affect the world rather than their own traits; the real giveaway is how easy of a time they have it, for whatever reason. Would a girl with Wolverine's powers be a Mary Sue? It all depends. To be frank, Wolverine HIMSELF comes off as one when written badly, smoking and drinking and being a nihilistic ass with no repercussions (so no; it's not just a girl trait), but when written well, he suffers more than a lot of us despite his powers. This is why, in case you weren't aware, Bella Swan is repeatedly called a Mary Sue, despite also being attacked as one of the most worthless, inept, lazy female characters of modern literature, because even when she's a completely mediocre person surrounded by supernatural creatures, somehow all of their feuding revolves around her and it winds up going well for her.

    Protagonists like this annoy me, and many other people, because we prefer ones who EARN their happy ending, or even continuously work for a happy ending they know may never come. Batman has many, many abilities that would probably make him a Mary Sue in a soap opera where women looked for the most eligible bachelor, but in the context of his story, we know he sacrificed lots of fortune and free time to gain those gifts, and despite them, never permanently wins his war on crime. With characters like Superman, their gifts are natural, but a good writer still finds a way to put real conflict in their lives by showing that not all people look up and are wowed by him; some are terrified of him, so he's facing a double battle against villains and his own image. In this manga, there's Sapphire, who worked her ass off to hone her physical prowess and battling skills to high levels, and despite saving Hoenn as the ultimate validation, still has to live with the tragic realization that the person she looked up to and dedicated her life to is kind of a prick.

    The point is that high capabilities do not make a Mary Sue. They're often part of the identity to at least some degree, but any sort of character can fall into it if they somehow seem immune to any consequences you expect people to go through. Good stories need conflict, and Mary Sues undermine it.
  • 2014-Apr-24 07:07:21 pokemon special v43 076
    PK Rock said: Why would Yellow be somehow a Mary Sue? If you described a girl with wolverine's powers would she be a Mary Sue? Any traits will give personality to a character, I personally like Yellow because she did not intended to evolve her pokemon just like I felt when I first played pokemon red. She's not that skilled because she doesn't like to fight. I don't want to make you like Yellow, but these are my reasons why she's nice. Also I wouldn't compare Ash with any of these characters, not even with Yellow because it's not the same thing the anime and manga.
  • 2014-Apr-24 06:53:11 pokemon special v43 076
    Bahmo said: @Redsmydude: Frankly, I dislike almost EVERYTHING about that arc. It's way too weighty and pretentious. Genocide is something that never should be taken lightly, and presenting it in this type of setting just breaks the bounds of logic and good taste. Showing us Lance using a dragon to nuke a city just begs consideration that if Pokemon were capable of the inane Chuck Norris facts in their dex entries, humans should've already been extinct long ago; that's a problem with the brand as a whole, but the Yellow arc RUBS YOUR NOSE IN IT. You have to laugh such things off and just have fun, but who can do that when so much ethical dilemma is being conveyed by a world that is so unrealistic? Moreover, the "Humans are Bastards" trope that motivates the Elite 4 isn't just "not always true" as Yellow was supposed to teach; it's bunk from start to finish! Humans invented morals; nature is red in tooth and claw!

    The only things I like about that arc are the bits with the gym leaders acting as the defenders of their cities instead of just springboards for champs in the making, and team up with the old Rocket admins. But all of that could've been done elsewhere; I still wish I could disregard the whole arc's existence, and no joke; it actually made me think of dropping the whole manga. I'm glad I didn't, as the Rub and Sapphire, and Diamond and Pearl arc were worth it. The HGSS arc...I won't weigh in like a certain other critic, because I'm still not sure what the Hell was going on in them.
  • 2014-Apr-24 06:40:50 Pokemon Special v33 c367 047.neuquant
    PK Rock said: I just love when Platinum gets excited and moves her arms up and down. She's so cute.
  • 2014-Apr-24 06:40:49 Pokemon Special v33 c367 047.neuquant
    PK Rock said: I just love when Platinum gets excited and moves her arms up and down. She's so cute.